Don't blow your own trumpet...

[alien90]

... or at least don't overdo it.

Hey, I'm using Shareaza due to my boyfriend.
And, well, it works good, no objections on that.
But there is some minor detail that annoys me. And IMHO it could also discourage a potential new user comparing clients from using Shareaza:

Please don't be so boastful!
It is really annoying reading all the time: "ultimatively best client there is" "save others from using inferior programs" "the most luxurious and sophisticated file sharing system you'll find" and so on...

Of course, you have a good working and well maintained client and it's your earned right to be proud of it and to advertise it on your site.
BUT (yes, a great but with capital letters), your overdoing it by far! Humiliating other clients won't bring any new users or improve the opinion of old ones. Instead, if I was looking for a client, I would try those with the most professional appearance. And this sort of self praise looks extremely unprofessional. Insulting others of being inferior is absolutely a NoGo.
Advertise, but don't overdo it, calling one's own product "most sophisticated" is really overweening.
And (sorry for being picky) if your client is "ultimate" how can it still get better?

I hope I'm not too harsh, it's just a suggestion to help improve your appearance.
Of course I will still continue using Shareaza, and so will all the other users, but you could still benefit from a change.

Best regards,
Alien

[old_death]

Well... I suppose you got a point, alien90... As of today, Shareaza is far from being the ultimate P2P client. It is a good one, certainly one of the best in my opinion, however we are still far from being the "ultimate client", I think...

[old_death]

*bump*

IMHO this requires further discussion - and maybe some changes on the translation files and the website.

[ailurophobe]

Yeah, I guess an update to the "slogans" would be a good idea. Because IMHO it is not so much a case of Shareaza failing to become worth the hype as it other P2P apps catching up. For example there are lots of BitTorrent and ED2K features Shareaza does not support, and almost all of those features did not even exist when the "ultimate file sharing" was written. And it sure was not ryo who decided to present Shareaza that way. Frankly I don't think it really represents the direction Shareaza is going.

For that matter alien90 has a point in general, there is no real point, merit, or justification in claiming Shareaza is ultimate or better than other applications. It really depends on what the user needs, doesn't it. I have occasionally tried to ditch Shareaza and switch to something else and the experience has been mixed. On the other hand it was a huge improvement in the form of vastly better and more up to date protocol support, on the other hand... utter frustration. Shareaza definitely has its own strengths that make it a great choice for people who need those features, we should just focus on those instead of making claims or even caring about how we compare to other clients.

[old_death]

Hmmmm...

There are several places where I think changes should be made.
First of all: The main page. Removing the "ultimate P2P client" slogan would be logical - however an update to the entire page is generally needed, I think... (For example the Feature Tour (Quote: "Shareaza is the most luxurious and sophisticated file sharing system you'll find.") also needs an update, the addons part should link to the right Wiki page, etc, etc.)
Second, On first start, a message pops up that asks users to tell their friends about Shareaza. Its text should also be updated.
Third, there should be an update to the gnutella icon within the client. Using a small 'g' on a grey background instead of "G1" would be politically more correct.

[raspopov]

I disagree. Shareaza still has ultimate features, you can mine interested file almost from everywhere. We lost nothing but acquired more protocols and stability.

[old_death]

I agree, Shareaza has ultimate features, however this does not mean that Shareaza is the ultimate client. We are a good one - one of the best ones in fact - but we are not that outstanding that we can truly claim we are the best client that does exist.

[raspopov]

And what is more ultimate than Shareaza?

[alien90]

Mh... Try looking up an encyclopaedia (I did that too, to be certain my understanding of the word wasn't wrong)

Definitions ultimate - Do they apply to Shareaza?:
1. Being last in a series, process, or progression <- Wrong I guess, or why are you still developing?
2. Fundamental; elemental <- C++ is fundamental, network protocols are elemental, but a client? Don't think so.
3. Being most distant or remote; farthest. <- Well, I better don't even try connecting that to Shareaza... (distant from whom or what?)
4. Of the greatest possible size or significance <- Greatest size? Dear! I hope not! - Significance: Can you honestly claim that? Whould P2P break down if Shareaza was gone?
5. Representing or exhibiting the greatest possible development or sophistication <- See 1.
6. Eventual <- See 1.

And as the definitions show, you can't build a comparative degree of ultimate. Saying "ultimate -> more ultimate -> most ultimate" means the same as saying "best -> bester -> the bestest".
Get my Point?

If not, please enlighten me with your definition of ultimate.

[raspopov]

Boring...

[old_death]

[acerswap]

Well, "the ultimate" is always "the ultimate until something else gets better".

alien90 is right. I'm working on translation and my '!' key is getting damaged because of excesive use. We have to be more humble in the future. Shareaza and its features are good enough to need so many !s.

[old_death]

[sshanu]

No other program out there can do what Shareaza does and has it combined all in the one app, therefore it is ultimate.
It's been part of Shareaza's logo for how long now? And your talking about changing it because 1 user has a whinge about it?
Sad to see political correctness garbage infiltrating this place, if the developers want to blow their own trumpet then good for them, they've earned the right to, they've produced the ultimate p2p client

[ailurophobe]

I can't talk for anyone else, but my problem with "ultimate" is that it is simply a bad and ineffective slogan. Sure, as ryo and others said you can make a case for justifying its use, but a new user won't know about it, to him it is just advertising hype as usual. In short, it is an overused expression that tells nothing in particular about Shareaza. Weak. To be honest, I don't care a bit, but... weak.

[cyko_01]

https://sourceforge.net/apps/phpbb/shareaza/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=447
no further comment

[old_death]

[aaron_walkhouse]

It's "The Most Advanced, using multiple networks simultaneously." There, settled.

It always struck me funny that LimeWire claimed to be the "fastest gnutella client"
because I use BearShare for it's speed in UP mode and LimeWire never caught up.

[old_death]